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« on: January 31, 2015, 05:09:47 AM »
 

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Re: Saturn Playing Cards
« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2015, 05:14:55 AM »
 

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Seems to be a standard EPCC deck with a back for cardistry... Sort of..
 

Re: Saturn Playing Cards
« Reply #2 on: January 31, 2015, 05:21:41 AM »
 

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Also just noticed you get different levels of cardistry tutorials depending on the pledge level as well.

Interesting idea.  I've not noticed but done before?
 

Re: Saturn Playing Cards
« Reply #3 on: January 31, 2015, 09:55:40 AM »
 

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Also just noticed you get different levels of cardistry tutorials depending on the pledge level as well.

Interesting idea.  I've not noticed but done before?

Never like this, the tutorials seem to actually be free. Very cool bonus.

Still, this is about the playing cards for the vast majority of us. Something is.... askew on these. Anyone else notice inconsistency of font to pip and the indices placement? Most noticeable everywhere. It's having a very negative effect for me.

I don't mind the simplified courts at all, they look okay. I like the bits of blue on their clothing. Blue hair wouldn't be bad with regular black line faces, however... it doesn't always work out as is. The KoC for example isn't regal worried about the world and his subjects, no no no, he's about to vomit. Yep, the blue turned him ill.

On the proposed tuck, I don't understand the security window. Is someone secretly running about stuffing the wrong deck in the wrong tuck? Has this crime spree spread throughout the world and I just not know about? It just doesn't make sense to me. That bit of plastic won't wear well at all and tucks in my pocket tend to take some abuse unless they're in a clip, which they aren't always. (Grab and go sometimes in a hurry)

I feel like the card back would wonderful, if there was just a slight change to the design. Something added maybe, so when I turn the cards to the side I get the full on wobbly eyes effect. I suggest one pupil located in the southern area of the ring set. Then when we turn the cards side ways, the classic crossed eyes will appear. That's just a lot of fun in my opinion. I really like the card back color. That blue is great, it definitely pops off the playing card. The card back is just very hard to take seriously for me.

There's a lot to like on this deck, there's also a lot to not like. I don't feel like this is a finished deck so much as a "good enough lets go" deck. It's a great start and I like it. I don't know that I like it as is enough to pick any up. I don't need the cardistry tutorials myself, I have several, still I think it's a very nice bonus and definitely encourages the up sell on these.
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Re: Saturn Playing Cards
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2015, 01:58:40 PM »
 

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Yep, the blue turned him ill.

Lol, Just woke up, and this has already made my day, thanks Fes.  :D

On the proposed tuck, I don't understand the security window. Is someone secretly running about stuffing the wrong deck in the wrong tuck?

Actually, I think this bit is funny.  Because I distinctly remember as a kid there were cheap decks here that were knock-offs of the traditional cheap $2 store deck.  Yes thats right Knock offs of what were probably already knockoffs!  But they looked slightly different once you opened them.  So the original $2 store decks suddenly started using this concept of a "security window" so you could see they were the genuine $2 article  ;)

And to put it in perspective here.  Our standard, supermarket cards are bridge size, queen slippers.  They are terrible, flimsy, dishwater designed "playing cards".  That's about the extent of what available in Australia.  On local little independent games store recently started stock Bikes, for $20 a deck!   So when you consider that, then think of what a $2 deck is like, then consider what a knockoff of those is like?   (Think about making your own cards with only 2 colour pencils, an old newspaper and some kids paste glue).

So yeah, back on topic.  The security window idea, will always make me feel like its a cheap deck.  If you want to show off the card back design, put it on the tuck, or do it with a little more class like Lawrence Sullivan did with the Legends series.
 

Re: Saturn Playing Cards
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2015, 02:00:37 PM »
 

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Incidentally it does look like its going to probably smash in its funding.  54% already...
 

Re: Saturn Playing Cards
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2015, 02:11:59 PM »
 

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The 12 year old in me couldn't help but to think....." What's the second deck going to be named?  Uranus Playing Cards???  Sorry couldn't resist...  ;D Back on topic now...
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Re: Saturn Playing Cards
« Reply #7 on: January 31, 2015, 02:37:41 PM »
 

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Incidentally it does look like its going to probably smash in its funding.  54% already...

This is one indication that I am not the target audience for this deck of playing cards. There's too much wrong with the deck, from the images posted on the campaign, for me to even consider buying one. If it was fixed well, I'd consider a deck then.
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Re: Saturn Playing Cards
« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2015, 03:05:13 PM »
 

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Not my cup of tea either.  But it seems even Shin Lim is posting about how good it is??
 

Re: Saturn Playing Cards
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2015, 12:37:53 AM »
 

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This entire project to me is completely ridiculous.  It's incredibly simplistic.

The security window - and the color choice - has to do with making this look like a hybrid between custom deck and just another faux casino deck.  He actually calls the color "Dunes blue", as in this shade was used in a genuine Dunes casino deck.  Beyond a few exceptionally simple, basic choices, all he's done is strip away some detail from a EPCC standard face - which is itself modified from an old USPC face of roughly a hundred years ago (which is what I think it throwing Fes off when he looks at it - it did the same to me the first time I encountered it).  Change everything blue into "Dunes blue," make a few concentric circles into a logo and call it a day as you crack open your first beer of the afternoon.

With my feeble skills in Adobe, I could have taken the original files from EPCC, tweaked them to come up with this "design" and had the entire thing done in a few hours while watching TV and checking emails.

Is the design terrible?  Absolutely not.  Is it insanely simple, requiring little talent or skill to create?  Most definitely.

The part that kills me the most is that the blasted things already nearly 80% funded and sells for $12 a pack, with a limited run of 1,000.  This is NOT what I got into collecting playing cards for.  They're barely any different from any other deck I can buy at the corner store, the sole distinction being that they're made to Expert's level of quality.  It barely adds up to a hard hour's work, never mind a whole day.  Fulfillment is the biggest issue he'll have to deal with, and at his prices, even that can be handed off to another company.

It seems that some people are just not terribly discriminating when it comes to the cards they want to buy.  They could buy a pack of NOCs for less than half this price, and they look very nearly the same.  In fact, perhaps if Alex limited the print runs on the NOC to 500 packs and charged twice as much as this guy, he'd be rolling in dough - although the entire point behind a simple, inexpensive deck would be all shot to hell.  An expression about fools and their money comes to mind...
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Re: Saturn Playing Cards
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2015, 09:14:39 AM »
 

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This entire project to me is completely ridiculous.  It's incredibly simplistic.

The security window - and the color choice - has to do with making this look like a hybrid between custom deck and just another faux casino deck.  He actually calls the color "Dunes blue", as in this shade was used in a genuine Dunes casino deck.  Beyond a few exceptionally simple, basic choices, all he's done is strip away some detail from a EPCC standard face - which is itself modified from an old USPC face of roughly a hundred years ago (which is what I think it throwing Fes off when he looks at it - it did the same to me the first time I encountered it).  Change everything blue into "Dunes blue," make a few concentric circles into a logo and call it a day as you crack open your first beer of the afternoon.

With my feeble skills in Adobe, I could have taken the original files from EPCC, tweaked them to come up with this "design" and had the entire thing done in a few hours while watching TV and checking emails.

Is the design terrible?  Absolutely not.  Is it insanely simple, requiring little talent or skill to create?  Most definitely.

The part that kills me the most is that the blasted things already nearly 80% funded and sells for $12 a pack, with a limited run of 1,000.  This is NOT what I got into collecting playing cards for.  They're barely any different from any other deck I can buy at the corner store, the sole distinction being that they're made to Expert's level of quality.  It barely adds up to a hard hour's work, never mind a whole day.  Fulfillment is the biggest issue he'll have to deal with, and at his prices, even that can be handed off to another company.

It seems that some people are just not terribly discriminating when it comes to the cards they want to buy.  They could buy a pack of NOCs for less than half this price, and they look very nearly the same.  In fact, perhaps if Alex limited the print runs on the NOC to 500 packs and charged twice as much as this guy, he'd be rolling in dough - although the entire point behind a simple, inexpensive deck would be all shot to hell.  An expression about fools and their money comes to mind...
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Re: Saturn Playing Cards
« Reply #11 on: August 21, 2015, 02:05:07 PM »
 

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Got my Saturn deck a few days ago.  Just like the Asi Wind Chameleons (also from EPCC recently), some indices are bolder than others.  It drives me crazy.  I'm not talking about when they make the index on one side of the card bolder than the other side of the card to create a one way face.  I'm talking about indices across the cards.  The 3s are definitely bolder/thicker than any other numbers.  Here are 3s and 6s to compare.

 

Re: Saturn Playing Cards
« Reply #12 on: August 21, 2015, 06:55:51 PM »
 

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I see what you're saying.  But oddly enough, despite my earlier remarks, I like the design.  I received a deck as a gift and started playing with it.  I think the box is terrible for this deck - should have been a traditional tuck box.  But something about that light shade of blue in the faces really connected with me.  It looks cool.  Still not a huge fan of the back design, but I love that shade of blue.  I think nearly every single blue deck in my collection besides this one is either a medium blue or a dark blue - no sky blues like this.  It stands out.
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Re: Saturn Playing Cards
« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2015, 01:38:34 PM »
 

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I got the deck for the blue on the face cards, so I know what you mean.  It's unusual and I particularly like that shade of blue.  I agree the tuck box leaves much to be desired.
 

Re: Saturn Playing Cards
« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2015, 01:43:46 PM »
 

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Got my Saturn deck a few days ago.  Just like the Asi Wind Chameleons (also from EPCC recently), some indices are bolder than others.  It drives me crazy.  I'm not talking about when they make the index on one side of the card bolder than the other side of the card to create a one way face.  I'm talking about indices across the cards.  The 3s are definitely bolder/thicker than any other numbers.  Here are 3s and 6s to compare.

Someone on UC posted this in response to my gripe above:

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Yes, this is part of EPCC's standard face cards.

Bill Kalush says that 'is a very specific system or "bonus" for magicians'. I guess most of the rest of us find it at least a little annoying.

I'm not a magician so I guess I don't appreciate whatever the advantage this provides.  I wish standard would be, you know, standard and "bonuses" like this would be by special request.
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Re: Saturn Playing Cards
« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2015, 11:35:56 PM »
 

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Got my Saturn deck a few days ago.  Just like the Asi Wind Chameleons (also from EPCC recently), some indices are bolder than others.  It drives me crazy.  I'm not talking about when they make the index on one side of the card bolder than the other side of the card to create a one way face.  I'm talking about indices across the cards.  The 3s are definitely bolder/thicker than any other numbers.  Here are 3s and 6s to compare.

Someone on UC posted this in response to my gripe above:

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Yes, this is part of EPCC's standard face cards.

Bill Kalush says that 'is a very specific system or "bonus" for magicians'. I guess most of the rest of us find it at least a little annoying.

I'm not a magician so I guess I don't appreciate whatever the advantage this provides.  I wish standard would be, you know, standard and "bonuses" like this would be by special request.

He might be referring to something else.

It's common on EPCC decks for a single index of the two found on any given card to be bolder than the other one.  The bonus of this for magicians is that certain tricks that one typically does with a one-way back can now be done with the faces, because they've all been made one-way.  Usually, the bolder index is not always the same index - meaning that sometimes it's the "top" index and sometimes it's the "bottom" index.  To explain a little better, if you looked at an uncut sheet of the deck, with all the artwork on the cards oriented "correctly," if all the bold indices were the bottom ones, you see the upside-down bottom index on every single card's face is bold.  Instead to this (or the top one being the bold one on all the cards), they're mixed, some at the top, some at the bottom, so if you re-oriented all the cards and put the bold indices on one side of the deck, the images in the middle of the cards would be oriented in a mixed rather than a uniform manner.  Most cards don't have a tell-tale of some kind (aside from poorly-centered registration or die cutting) to indicate orientation by face, but enough do, to the point that it might stand out if, for example, all the 7s were turned the same way, and so were the fives, the threes, etc. based on looking at the artwork of the card (in these cases, the pip orientations, where there are more pips turned one way than another).

OK, that's a little convoluted and long-winded, but hopefully you see what I'm getting at.

I think there's a simpler reason why the three on that card looked bolder.  The faces used as EPCC's standard faces are based on old USPC faces, perhaps a century old.  They've been cleaned and retouched, but the original images were scans.  The original indices were probably also smaller - it was common in early indexed decks for them to have a small index, something that would make a person squint if they had less-than-perfect eyesight.  Between blow-ups, retouches, etc. and the vagaries of what printing was like a hundred years ago (not perfectly precise), it's possible that either the original had a bold three and now the copies do, or that in the scanning process, the angular nature of the three caused the scanner to reproduce the lines and curves of that numeral a little more thick than the original.  He is, in essence, reproducing some of the imperfection of the original design he scanned, I suspect.
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