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Re: Texasplayingcards.com
« Reply #150 on: December 27, 2013, 11:15:11 AM »
 

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Hats off for creating something really unique. My day job is as an analog game designer and adding a few cards to each suit open up all sorts of options for new games (we should have talked earlier, I could have designed a few for your website/insert!).

I have to ask though. Why not let folks get just 1 deck? Is it because the fulfillment fee would chop in too deeply?
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Re: Texasplayingcards.com
« Reply #151 on: December 27, 2013, 11:29:19 AM »
 

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Hats off for creating something really unique. My day job is as an analog game designer and adding a few cards to each suit open up all sorts of options for new games (we should have talked earlier, I could have designed a few for your website/insert!).

I have to ask though. Why not let folks get just 1 deck? Is it because the fulfillment fee would chop in too deeply?

In most deck projects, unless you charge too much to make it appealing, creators will usually lose money on one- and two-deck orders.  Perhaps he's trying to avoid some of those losses.
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Re: Joker 809
« Reply #152 on: October 06, 2014, 10:01:19 PM »
 

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Update of the Aces. This is probably final. I wanted to do something different. The AoS has long history and has some stigma to it (Vietnam). It first started as the tax card. You literally had to go to the tax office and pay a tax to get the AoS to complete your deck. Later on, it became somewhat like an ID card. I gave that card to Vivian. I said you can put anything you want on it and she did. If you can't make out the detail, which is on purpose that is a cat skull. Her website link is under the spade is http://haggardhare.com If you check out her website you might understand the card more.

In the AoH, the website needs to be updated, but if you look at the bottom. 01 001 2014 The 01 means the deck version. 001 means production run and of course the last number is the year. I think it's important to put the year down. USPCC coding system is obsolete. I will probably only make one run of the deck in 2014. If I make more the year will change to 2015 thus making the first run some what limited. I don't want to make a 1000 decks and put it in a box and say I will never print it again. I will be putting the year on both the AoH and on the box.

For far to long have we been trying to determine the date of a deck of cards by the tax stamp. Yes the tax was changed from the AoS to the stamp on the box. Love the history of cards. The tax stamp has changed to a plain sticker on the box. I find it interesting ppl are putting the limited numbers on the stickers i.e (1/1000) To me, the important thing on the box is the year the manufacture and maybe the stock and finish. Think about it. In a hundred years, what are future card collectors looking for? All that information should be on the box so they don't have to open the deck.
 

Re: Joker 809
« Reply #153 on: October 07, 2014, 02:26:42 AM »
 

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USPC will not let you use 809 as your deck's model number.  It's in use already

Model numbers still in use at USPC for standard commonly-available decks:
7 - Streamline jumbo index
9 - Tally Ho (both backs)
11 - Streamline
21 - Streamline pinochle
44 - Bicycle Rider Back pinochle jumbo index
48 - Bicycle Rider Back pinochle
77 - Bee jumbo index
86 - Bicycle Rider Back bridge-sized
88 - Bicycle Rider Back jumbo index
92 - Bee (named after the year of initial release, 1892)
125 - Bicycle Rider Back "EZ See Lo-Vision"
807 - Bicycle Rider Back in classic box (AoS still labeled 808)
808 - Bicycle Rider Back in new "Standard" box
809 - Bicycle Mandolin Back
813 - Bicycle Maiden Back
914 - Aviator
917 - Aviator jumbo index
918 - Aviator pinochle
1201 - Hoyle
1202 - Hoyle jumbo index
1205 - Maverick
1206 - Maverick jumbo index
1211 - Hoyle pinochle

There's a lot more numbers for all the non-standard products, like Eco Edition, Pink Ribbon, Large Print, etc., but these are the decks you'd find typically selling in a "mom-and-pop" store, as opposed to a national chain with more buying power and a hankering for special design exclusives.

I thought you gave up on this deck, seeing as how it was the opposite of a rousing success on Kickstarter when you first introduced it.

Non-standard decks can sell, to be sure, but they're not an easy sell and can take years, not weeks, to develop an audience.  The Rook deck from Parker Brothers, issued just over 100 years ago, took a handful of years before it finally found an audience - it didn't hit the peak of its success until over 40 years after its introduction.  That deck succeeded over time because it was designed with a specific audience in mind - people who for moral or religious reasons don't use a standard deck of playing cards.  Who's your audience?  Be realistic about it, not "pie-in-the-sky".

No casino will introduce this deck on the gaming floor until you can produce accurate statistics on the house odds for any casino game you'd use them for - and that's no guarantee of success because they still have to decide to approve or reject the design, whether they like the odds presented, and their customers may or may not be open to trying a new game they're not familiar with, especially if it's more complex than what's already out there, just like yours is.

And none of this touches on the expense of getting a deck with over 56 cards printed.  You can go with a company that produces cards for board games and the like, as they have no standard quantity from game to game, but you'll also end up with cards of equivalent quality - and they're certainly not designed for their slip and glide.  Such cards are most likely to be made of cheap stock that won't faro even in the hands of the most skilled card sharp.

Why on Earth are you so concerned with the dating numbers on the Ace of Spades??  Your BOX will have a copyright date on it!  You're spending all this effort on a detail that's trivial compared to the other hurdles this deck will have to jump over if it stands a chance of getting made.

I still think you'd stand a far greater chance of success if you altered your designs to match the Bicycle Rider Back and USPC standard faces, only getting the extra cards printed.  You could drop them in a custom tuck box large enough to hold the extras and a full pack of Bikes - your product gets completed for a minimum of cost and in a design that's familiar with the entire North American continent and much of the rest of the world.

In fact, you wouldn't need a truly custom design for the box - USPC already makes boxes large enough for holding two decks, thanks to its game-specific two-deck sets for games like canasta, rummy, etc.  You'd only need to alter the art to suit your design.  If you have the extra cards printed with some game rules (either on a folded sheet of paper or on some extra cards), you could fill out a two-deck box rather nicely.

Forgive me if the solution seems too simple, but even you have to admit it would drop the cost of your design by thousands of dollars.  It would also make the cards easier for people to adopt because of the oh-so-familiar design, one that's been around for several decades - the back design is over 120 years old and the faces haven't changed much since the middle of the previous century.  If the face design was a person of the same age, it would soon be eligible for retirement benefits!  Lastly, you'd be able (with the company's approval, of course) to use the Bicycle brand name on your product, something that will automatically give it at least a small boost in sales.
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Re: Joker 809
« Reply #154 on: October 08, 2014, 05:44:27 PM »
 

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Great to see you are still trying to get this done. However, I have to second Dons advice:
"I still think you'd stand a far greater chance of success if you altered your designs to match the Bicycle Rider Back and USPC standard faces, only getting the extra cards printed." 

The new court cards is already a stretch to get people to accept, no need to make it even more difficult with custom courts and pips and colors, especially if you are going to get the casinos on the train.
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Re: Joker 809
« Reply #155 on: October 13, 2014, 10:28:36 PM »
 

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Demo decks came in from the MPC.   There are still flaws in the Back of Card and Aces, but I'm still happy.   I finally have a working deck.  It holds 13 cards in one hand.  Which is ok, but in my second deck I wish to bubble the suits and make it 15 cards in one hand comfortable. 
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Re: Joker 809
« Reply #156 on: October 14, 2014, 06:25:06 AM »
 

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Demo decks came in from the MPC.   There are still flaws in the Back of Card and Aces, but I'm still happy.   I finally have a working deck.  It holds 13 cards in one hand.  Which is ok, but in my second deck I wish to bubble the suits and make it 15 cards in one hand comfortable.

Is it the deck that holds 13 cards, or you?  'Cause the last time I checked, decks don't really hold much of anything, though they're great at not holding things...  Though I guess if you put peanut butter or mashed potatoes on them, they'd hold those just fine...

For once, please start making sense, Russ.  "Bubble the suits?"  What the hell are you talking about?
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Re: Joker 80T
« Reply #157 on: October 19, 2014, 01:04:26 AM »
 

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@Don - "Bubble the suits?"  The suits are slightly indented.  I tried to stay as close to the Bicycle 808 Series.  In the second deck, I wish to expand the pips.   You have giving me a lot of good advise.  I wish to give you a deck as a gift.  The first run will be MPC using Kickstarter.  A stretch goal could be EPCC, and the holy grail could be USPCC.  I do have a strategy for the USPCC. 
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Re: Joker 80T
« Reply #158 on: November 16, 2014, 09:25:23 AM »
 

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I'm going to make 500 of these decks before the year is out.  I have already saved $2000 for the production order.  The full bleed back of card is fixed.  All the cards are done except the AoS.    I'm meeting with Vivian this Monday to finalize the cards.  I'm starting to work on the Kickstarter for promotion.   

In the second deck, you will have 5 court cards and the Ten pip will be a Tower or Castle card.  It will be a transitional card from the courts to the pips.  All the courts will look something like the Jokers in this deck. I'm looking for realism and expressions for the courts not the pompous faces we have now.
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Re: Joker 80T
« Reply #159 on: December 28, 2014, 11:01:45 PM »
 

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Received the Demo Deck.  Playing with some pictures...
 

Re: Joker 80T
« Reply #160 on: January 05, 2015, 07:12:57 PM »
 

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The Aces turned out fuzzy. 
 

Re: Joker 80T
« Reply #161 on: January 20, 2015, 07:03:12 PM »
 

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I got a package today.  I just wanted to see an uncut sheet from Makeplayingcards.com  I found out they go with a 11 X 5 uncut for 55 cards.  So, EPCC and LPCC go with a 9 X 6 for 54 cards, and the holy grail of playing cards USPCC goes with a 8 x 7 uncut sheet for 56 cards. 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/hhug0geedsgxs0a/2015-01-20%2016.17.37.jpg?dl=0

It seems they make cardboard circles and tape on the ends for a cap.   :o

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6mscjvn6ui56x5c/2015-01-20%2016.17.43.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7muolh2dlyijhvy/2015-01-20%2016.40.36.jpg?dl=0
 

Re: Joker 80T
« Reply #162 on: January 21, 2015, 03:08:06 AM »
 

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I got a package today.  I just wanted to see an uncut sheet from Makeplayingcards.com  I found out they go with a 11 X 5 uncut for 55 cards.  So, EPCC and LPCC go with a 9 X 6 for 54 cards, and the holy grail of playing cards USPCC goes with a 8 x 7 uncut sheet for 56 cards. 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/hhug0geedsgxs0a/2015-01-20%2016.17.37.jpg?dl=0

It seems they make cardboard circles and tape on the ends for a cap.   :o

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6mscjvn6ui56x5c/2015-01-20%2016.17.43.jpg?dl=0

https://www.dropbox.com/s/7muolh2dlyijhvy/2015-01-20%2016.40.36.jpg?dl=0

You might want to go over the design carefully - your T of Spades has ELEVEN spade pips on it, not ten...
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Re: Joker 80T
« Reply #163 on: January 21, 2015, 06:53:57 PM »
 

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@Don you won a free deck.  I'll PM for your address. 

Received another package today from Makeplayingcards.com

https://www.dropbox.com/s/09dw6b4l7cdw8w1/2015-01-20%2016.37.25.jpg?dl=0

I ordered 100 decks and they gave me 101. I just want to stress have other ppl check your cards.  I didn't see that mistakes till early August and I know I must have looked at that 10oS a hundred time and didn't see it.  I was in a timeline for the 52+J convention. I wanted to make 20 demo decks.  It takes 15 days for MPC to ship out the cards and getting quick changes from Vivian is like pulling teeth also the back of card was "1-way" :bosswalk:.  I figured hell if your going to screw up on a number card the best card is the 10 card.  More pips will just = 10. Lets get the decks and see if anyone says anything...
 

Re: Joker 80T
« Reply #164 on: January 21, 2015, 11:17:06 PM »
 

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@Don you won a free deck.  I'll PM for your address.


Thanks.  I'll check them out.
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Re: Joker 80T
« Reply #165 on: January 31, 2015, 10:33:44 PM »
 

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