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ThePlatinumTaco

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Hi everyone! I'm very new to cardistry and close up magic, and to get started I bought two Virtuoso decks (https://thevirts.leadpages.net/the-ss14-virtuoso-deck-is-sold-out/) new, on ebay. I started using one, and after about two weeks they became extremely worn. They don't slide or fan at all, and the sides are very grey. They even have black spots on them (no idea why :/)...

A picture of the new and old ace of spades. You can see the black dots at the top of the left card...


And a close up of only the lame, dirty card:


I read later that after short use, this deck is known to lose quality faster. I didn't know this when I bought them, but now I just started using the new deck and I've been cleaning my hands before use and keeping them on clean surfaces, in the box. What's interesting is that another, kindly crappy deck that I already had has kept up with everything that happened to my original deck and cans still fan and slide okay-ish.

What I'd like to know is why certain decks have a higher quality than others (I know that finishes exist, but not much about them). Now, because the deck I bought to use and practice with has degraded, I need a new deck! I'm looking for durability overall, but aesthetics matter too. Some decks I've seen that look great are the:
- Aristocrats 737 Blue (reviews said their finish picks up a lot of hand grease, so this is a probably not)
- Artisans (Durability was mentioned in the description, but I don't know what to do with that information)
- Sentinels (Another deck from Theory11 that mentioned durability)
- The Monarchs (When talking about decks, this is one that seems to come up a lot. That's really all I know about this deck)

My price range is $3-10 dollars, preferably around the $5/6 range. If you have personal experience with any of these decks, I'd love to hear your advice.

And info you guys have on the subject is welcome, and thanks in advance (I guess that's how you end a post :P)
 

 

Cameron.Sale

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Taco,

The most important part of keeping your cards clean is washing your hands every time before you pick them up (or rather any time they are dirty). Aside from that, all you can do is buy a Porper and keep several decks in rotation - use a deck for an hour or two and then put it in the Porper.

Since you are a beginner, I would recommend purchasing some performance/practice cards that are cheap and abundant, so you don't have to worry so much when you ruin them. Save your money and buy a dozen decks of Bicycles instead of several custom decks that cost $7-$10 apiece. I would recommend eBay - you can find a brick with shipping included for about $25.

Buying cheap cards in bulk allows you to just throw away a deck of cards when it becomes unusable, and then open up a new one without having to feel the guilt of opening a $10 custom deck of cards.

Just my 2 cents,

Cameron
 

 

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Taco, welcome to the Discourse.  You should go and make a topic in the Introduce Yourself board so we can give you a proper greeting, if you haven't already.

Cameron is indeed on the money with this.  Buy something common and cheap to practice, something you're not afraid to ruin and isn't a costly limited edition - absolutely nothing rare to start with.

If you like your cards firmer, Bees make decent practice decks and are very durable.  Tally Ho decks are considered by many cardists and magicians to be almost a gold standard in cards.  These two brands plus basic "Bicycle Standard" playing cards are still in the USPC catalog, printed in large amounts and not too costly to obtain.  You won't find Tally Ho in stores, however, unless you're either at a magic shop or in New York City - those are pretty much the only brick-and-mortar places they sell them.  Bicycle are everywhere and so are Bees.

If you like Bicycles, buy mostly by the deck and want something a little less costly, go to Walgreens.  They have a store brand called "Play-Right" that's made by USPC and are on par with the quality of Bicycle Standards but generally sell for less.  They're a bit odd, though - the blue decks are all standard index and the red ones are all jumbo index, so there's no "matched set" like you'd use for poker.  Otherwise, though, in terms of stock, finish and handling, they might as well be Bikes.
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Ah, ok. I'll probably take Cameroons advice and get a brick of cards, bicycles or bees. (or tallyhos, because I'm buying online)

I saw in Camerons post a mention of a "porper" clip. What's that? Google turned up with card clips by "Joe Porper", but Porper clips sound more specific than that.

Thanks for the info!
 

 

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I saw in Camerons post a mention of a "porper" clip. What's that? Google turned up with card clips by "Joe Porper", but Porper clips sound more specific than that.

Thanks for the info!

Joseph Porper is a man who started out making professional-grade billiards equipment and related tools.  He was inspired by a trip to a magic shop to create professional-grade magicians' stage props and gimmicks.  The one item he's most well-known for in this corner of the Internet is his famous Porper Card Clip.

Porper card clips are meant to hold a deck of cards in the box, providing pressure to the front and back in order to keep your cards as flat as the day you bought them.  Prior to this invention, people had to use card presses - and since playing cards became so cheap to the common consumer, the popularity of card presses has fallen dramatically.

The original Porper clip is engraved on the spine with his signature and has a spine with a sort of "M" shape when seen from above - that shape acts like a spring when you slide your deck into it.  The front and back walls of the clip curve slightly outward at the edge furthest from the spine, making it easier to slide a pack of cards into it.  Later, when people selling them started to apply assorted coverings on them (ordinary and exotic leathers, carbon fibers, cork, etc.), he created a simpler version of the clip with a flat spine.  Some of the custom clips he's made for people like David Blaine or the Buck twins will have their company logo somewhere on it as well, often inside the spine.

Both designs are not bent from sheet metal, but instead are carved out of a solid block of aluminum, meaning there's practically no risk of a stress fracture in the spine under ordinary use; bending sheet metal creates stresses and weaknesses in the metal.  The thickness of the aluminum makes it exceptionally sturdy - I'd wager that if you slipped a pack into one and ran it over with your car, it would still be intact and your cards would be undamaged.  Simply put, Joe builds gear to LAST - his gear will probably outlive you!

As far as usage goes, there's a bit of a split.  Some people, especially cardists, swear by them because they need completely flat cards.  They put their cards through a lot of torture and they want them to last.  There are others that don't like them for a few reasons.  The tension created to flatten the cards also crushes the box, which is especially bad if you paid good money for a deck with an embossed, foil-laden tuck box - good for the cards, terrible for the boxes.  Lastly, there's the "oddity" factor.  Some magicians either don't use them or remove them before approaching a performance.  The reason is that when your audience sees you pull a pack of cards out of a Porper clip, a Pack Jacket - basically, anything that magicians use but the public has never heard of - some people immediately think that the deck must be a "trick deck" of some kind.

I personally own a few card clips, but I find that I'm using them less frequently - I'll push a deck into my Porper clip if I have a few cards that got bent but not severely enough to crease and I have a clip made by Zenneth Kok that's not a Porper but is useful for certain card tricks.

Make sure if you buy one that's it's the real thing and not a counterfeit.  I've noticed some counterfeits being sold by Asian-based accounts on eBay - they look the same but come in colors that the Porper clip was never made in and some forgers don't bother with replicating the signature on the spine..
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Ok, thanks. That makes a lot of sense!

Also, I'm wondering what you guys' opinion on the aviator deck for practicing for magic? It doesn't really get any mentions but it's a bit cheaper and looks nice. Also, the Bees playing deck is "casino friendly" and the Tally Ho deck is advertised for magicians. Do the Bees have a lower quality?
 

 

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With your Virts cards, you'll notice that both sides of the cards are textured, or embossed, with grid-like indentions. Bicycles and Tallys are also like this. The only difference with Aviators is that they have a smooth finish, with no indentions. They are still proper cards and handle just fine for most everything card-related. The fanning is usually not quite up to par with embossed cards, however.

Tallys and Bees are of more or less equal quality. I think that Bees are too stiff since the USPC moved to Kentucky. Tallys are a bit softer. You can't go wrong with any of the major names and it's all preference. Also, you can't take much from the advertising - whether "casino grade" or "for magicians", there is little practical difference.

Hope this helps.

Cameron
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Okay, thanks. Stiff cards are probably an asset for me, because I don't know about you but floppy cards just get everywhere... I'm going to buy a 12 pack of Bees.

Thanks for all the help everyone!
 

 

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For the future, consider trying Aladdins as well.  USPC makes them specifically to hold up better in humid environments.  At ordinary retail, they're only available in Singapore, where they're actually more common than Bicycles, but many magic shops and online retailers carry them.  The standard Aladdins are smooth just like the Aviators - another thing about humidity is that your hands tend to get grimy, and when that transfers to the card, it's easier to wipe off of a smooth surface than an embossed one.

I've played with Aviators before and they're pretty nice, but they're also harder to find - USPC really only distributes them to airport vendors these days.

Another excellent smooth deck is the Streamlines.  They were an Arrco brand before the company was purchased by USPC and still have the traditional Arrco faces.  (Some people like them as a change of pace while others think they're terrible.)  They're really cheap - I was picking them up a WalMart a while back for $1 a pack.  But the quality is on par with Bikes and Aviators in terms of the stock used.  Just make sure you get the right ones - the deck's been made in the US, China and Spain; the Chinese-made decks are very inferior, the US-made decks are better, and while I've never held a Spanish-made deck, the company that made it was likely Heraclio Fournier, a wholly-owned subsidiary of USPC that does some excellent work in card manufacturing.  Fournier still operates pretty independently of the main company (which is itself a subsidiary of a conglomerate called Jarden Products), but they do manufacture all of the Bicycle Prestige all-plastic decks for USPC.

Lee Asher himself, an admin here as well as a world-renown magician, has his own Fournier brand, the 605 Signature Series, that's made to a very high level of quality and precision, more so than almost every other deck on the market.

One last thing I just remembered - if you're comparing two basically identical decks where the only difference is the finish, one being smooth and the other being embossed, the smooth deck will always feel stiffer.  I attribute this to the embossing process - metal rollers press the pattern into the surface of the card, breaking the surface at each dimple and making the card just a little structurally weaker, allowing it to bend more easily than a smooth card with its completely intact surface.
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A while ago, I created a free guide to help you keep your cards in top condition. While it's primarily written for 605 owners, the majority of the info applies to other decks as well.

DOWNLOAD YOUR FREE COPY OF MY CARE & CONDITIONING GUIDE HERE.

Hope that helps...
 

 

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I wrote an i depth article on how to clean your playing cards. It will help you and anyone else having this problem! :D

http://coolcardflourishes.com/how-to-clean-playing-cards-make-your-playing-cards-last-longer/
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@Lee
I also read your booklet and broke the 605 in accordingly months ago, but I still can't get perfect fans. Don't get me wrong, I really love the quality of the 605 decks and I rarely handled finer cut decks.  they are among my favorite decks for the card table, but I find they can't compare to the air cushion finish when it comes to fanning. Did i do something wrong breaking them in? I Also have never seen a nice fan with them on youtube so far. How are you experiences with 605s for flourishing?
thanks