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Green Jerry's Nugget?
« on: December 27, 2011, 11:35:28 AM »
 

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I was searching "rare playing cards" on eBay (Which I'm sure many of you do) and I came across a listing for Green Jerry's Nugget replicas.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Jerrys-Nugget-Playing-Cards-Very-Rare-Green-Jerrys-Nuggets-Replica-Pre-order-/190619596350?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item2c61d0363e#ht_500wt_1287

Apparently they are super-rare, and they look interesting, but I'm not interested.
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Re: Green Jerry's Nugget?
« Reply #1 on: December 27, 2011, 12:20:44 PM »
 

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Sold originally at $55 with no profit made?  Err... how?  Surely, that's just bad business.
 

Re: Green Jerry's Nugget?
« Reply #2 on: December 27, 2011, 12:25:19 PM »
 

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$100 buy it now when they have it on their site for $55? These are by the same guy as the Miracle deck and the mismag Compass decks, which I have pre-ordered but no idea when the Compass decks are coming it seems.
 

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« Reply #3 on: December 27, 2011, 12:32:43 PM »
 

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Something about these decks seem very, very fishy.
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Re: Green Jerry's Nugget?
« Reply #4 on: December 27, 2011, 02:07:21 PM »
 

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Huh. The item's been removed. Guess that's all cleared up then.  :-X
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Re: Green Jerry's Nugget?
« Reply #5 on: December 27, 2011, 02:48:18 PM »
 

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Even if they really were high-quality and really worth the 55 dollars, I don't understand why anyone would be interested in willingly buying fakes... :-\
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Re: Green Jerry's Nugget?
« Reply #6 on: December 27, 2011, 04:41:57 PM »
 

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Yeah i've head of these different colored Jerry's. One collector who is friends with Dan & Dave had quite a few. In a video he said they were fakes/replicas. I guess they are just for show. I can see how one could consider them kind of cool
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Re: Green Jerry's Nugget?
« Reply #7 on: December 28, 2011, 12:04:00 AM »
 

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These sellers are getting more clever.  Most of you will remember the stories about how a few years ago the market was flooded with J-Nugg forgeries.  eBay was the prime place those forgeries were being sold.  At the time they were being passed off as the real thing.  It obviously didn't take Ebay long to figure this out and start shutting down auctions from sellers with known counterfeit goods.  The "Wild West" days of Ebay are over - nearly every item they sell now has their "eBay Buyer Protection" coverage on nearly everything they sell, in order to shed the stigma it used to have about buyers getting defrauded by bogus sellers.

The forgers, in an effort to step around this, started selling the forgeries as "replicas".  The problem was (and is) that these replicas were poorly represented as such - usually a single mention at the end of the description and  no mention in the auction title, combined with bogus claims of rarity, value and quality.  The green J-Nuggs just recently yanked which triggered this topic also are examples of the tactic of offering forgeries in the colors that the originals were never made in - like the black J-Nugg forgeries that have been circulating.  The forgers then believe they can try claiming there's no way their product could be confused with the originals because of this - despite the deceptive marketing tactics to the contrary.  In the end, eBay takes a dim view of these attempts and usually shuts them down as quickly as they can detect them.

As far as the Buck Twins' friend showing off his "replica" collection, well - just like there are people who collect stamps, paper currency and coins, there are also a subgroup of them who seek out misprints, replicas, forgeries, etc., so it would seem natural that this would carry over into the playing card collecting market.  They can be at times even more rare than the originals due to the fact that law enforcement destroys confiscated counterfeit goods/stamps/bills/coins when they're no longer needed as evidence.  The facts that there aren't as many different models of forged decks out there, and by the very nature of the product there's no complied list of what the manufacturer made and who the manufacturers are, makes such collecting even more of a challenge for its devotees.  Lastly, the forgeries, even when rare, can be had for a fraction of what the originals would cost at current market value.

As this type of collecting becomes more popular, it will have the unfortunate side effect of spurring more counterfeiters to make more fakes, since it represent an increase in the demand for their product.  In some cases, forgeries can even be more sought after than the originals, because the originals are just too prohibitively expensive and hard to obtain, causing people to give up and get the next best thing.  Same thing holds true in the art world - some talented forgers' works are as or more popular than the works of the artists they're copying from.
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Re: Green Jerry's Nugget?
« Reply #8 on: December 28, 2011, 01:48:44 AM »
 

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There are orange jerry's out there too. Of course its fake. Black wynns too.
I bought a pair of fake jerry this year, the quality is crap, but the look is great.
Although, ill never recommend it if you get it for more than $5
 

Re: Green Jerry's Nugget?
« Reply #9 on: December 28, 2011, 02:55:15 AM »
 

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Hmm the listing appears to have been removed, interesting.
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Re: Green Jerry's Nugget?
« Reply #10 on: December 28, 2011, 03:32:24 AM »
 

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Hmm the listing appears to have been removed, interesting.

Someone commented on that earlier.  My bet is that eBay caught wind of it and shut the auction down.  I'd further wager that someone in their "anti-fraud" unit is periodically scanning the listings for potential fraud items like "Jerry's Nuggets WOO HOO SUPER DUPER ULTRA RARE replica PLAYING CARDS STRAIGHT OUTTA VEGAS, BABY - NEVER BEFORE SEENCOLORS!!!"
« Last Edit: December 28, 2011, 03:34:22 AM by Good@Sabacc »
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Re: Green Jerry's Nugget?
« Reply #11 on: December 28, 2011, 10:19:27 AM »
 

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the listing was removed .. what does the back design look like very intersted in knowing
 

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« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2011, 10:38:55 AM »
 

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The back design looks like regular Jerry's but in green. From what I understand these decks have been printed however there was a misprint with the boxes and those are going to be reprinted and the decks will not be available for a couple more weeks but you can still buy them on their website and apparently they have already sold 5 decks out of 30. http://afpcc.itsesproductions.com/order.html
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Re: Green Jerry's Nugget?
« Reply #13 on: December 28, 2011, 12:43:04 PM »
 

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yea if it comes from those guys no way i would ever get it, shipping is a pain, $10 if i want one deck shipped, and it goes up with each one.
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« Reply #14 on: December 28, 2011, 03:48:49 PM »
 

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They aren't even USPCC.
He probably paid $50 to get ALL of the decks printed and now is trying to sell them for $55 each.
And the quality probably isn't good
 

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« Reply #15 on: December 28, 2011, 04:24:07 PM »
 

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They aren't even USPCC.
He probably paid $50 to get ALL of the decks printed and now is trying to sell them for $55 each.
And the quality probably isn't good


They are obviously not USPCC. I feel they would run into copyright issues and other stuff if they tried to get them printed. Plus things that go through USPCC usually are talked about quite a bit before release. If they are printed by the same means that the other AFPCC cards are then I would want to say they aren't horrible. I know many people don't agree with that companies marketing and whatnot, but I doubt their cards are total rubbish.


I'm sure it cost them more than $50 bucks for all of them haha Although I have no doubt he's making a great deal of profit off of these
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« Reply #16 on: December 28, 2011, 07:40:09 PM »
 

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Actually I think he said somewhere that he isn't making a lot of money on these and what he is selling them at is more or less what they cost to print, but I wouldn't be surprised if he's not being totally honest there.
 

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« Reply #17 on: December 28, 2011, 10:40:07 PM »
 

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Forgeries.  Plain and simple.  He's trying to use the excuse that they're "art" as a legal dodge while trying to lure the more gullible and profit-blinded card collectors.


I have no interest in them.


You wouldn't either if the next "art project" he made was a deck of green Vortex cards...
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« Reply #18 on: December 29, 2011, 09:27:54 AM »
 

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These replica are made in China, so I'm sure if you search in chinese websites, you can find them in very cheap prices.
 

Re: Green Jerry's Nugget?
« Reply #19 on: December 29, 2011, 10:23:32 AM »
 

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I don't think that they are made in China, they may be made by whoever made the Miracles deck which I doubt is China.
 

Re: Green Jerry's Nugget?
« Reply #20 on: December 29, 2011, 10:20:01 PM »
 

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So I asked what the details on the deck were and here is the response I got...


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The Green Jerry's Nugget replicas we resell are made of a very thick, highquality casino grade stock with perfectly smooth, plastic coating.
Although this is very different from actual Jerry's Nugget playing cards,
the cards handle the same in general.

The only difference we noticed so far is that faro shuffles won't be as
easy due to the coating, but the replicas spread better, fan similarly
(also slightly better) and are just as good for gambling, if not slightly
better as well because of the extra-protective coating. All in all it is a
very high quality replica which shows in the price as we will not make any

profit from these (more about this on the FAQ page on our site).
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« Reply #21 on: December 30, 2011, 11:29:56 AM »
 

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So I asked what the details on the deck were and here is the response I got...


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The Green Jerry's Nugget replicas we resell are made of a very thick, highquality casino grade stock with perfectly smooth, plastic coating.
Although this is very different from actual Jerry's Nugget playing cards,
the cards handle the same in general.

The only difference we noticed so far is that faro shuffles won't be as
easy due to the coating, but the replicas spread better, fan similarly
(also slightly better) and are just as good for gambling, if not slightly
better as well because of the extra-protective coating. All in all it is a
very high quality replica which shows in the price as we will not make any

profit from these (more about this on the FAQ page on our site).


That's ridiculous!  They're trying to con you into thinking it's worth $50 because of the high quality of manufacturing?  It costs under a buck to print a deck in bulk, and that's made by USPC!  No, it's beyond ridiculous - it's insane.  "Good for gambling"?  Bah.
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Re: Green Jerry's Nugget?
« Reply #22 on: December 30, 2011, 11:44:58 AM »
 

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So they are plastic coated, that's even worse that I expected and ridiculous considering the price of these.
 

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« Reply #23 on: December 30, 2011, 03:45:43 PM »
 

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« Reply #24 on: December 30, 2011, 03:54:23 PM »
 

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Mark is here on the forum, so if you have any questions about this, ask him nicely, that is his video up above

Can you tell me his username? I'd like to not only ask about these decks, but also the Miracle Decks.
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