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« on: November 01, 2011, 11:37:46 PM »
 

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i posted a thread about the artifice decks having a hidden 1 way back and i got looking through my decks and i found that lots of decks have a hidden 1 way back.
the ones i found are
Karnival
Karnival midnight
Karnival renegades
Theory 11 guardians
theory11 centurions

I know for certain these arn`t the only decks with these and to find the hidden designs i just made sure they were well shuffled and riffled down the edge
what decks did you guys find hidden 1 way designs?

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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2011, 12:21:12 AM »
 

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I could think of Massa and IAOCP
 

Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2011, 02:57:34 PM »
 

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Artifice deck has it too!
 

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« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2011, 03:00:25 PM »
 

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Artifice deck has it too!

He said that...
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2011, 03:01:35 PM »
 

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the ask alexender deck has a one way back and front. check out my channel for a review i point the front one out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uryun80Pn9Y&feature=channel_video_title
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« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2011, 03:12:00 PM »
 

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the ask alexender deck has a one way back and front. check out my channel for a review i point the front one out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uryun80Pn9Y&feature=channel_video_title
He said hidden one way
 

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« Reply #6 on: November 02, 2011, 03:21:20 PM »
 

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WHERE IS IT ON ARTIFACE???????????????????

The Shadow Masters from Ellusionist has one too...
« Last Edit: November 02, 2011, 03:23:53 PM by JMMJ »
 

Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #7 on: November 02, 2011, 03:28:34 PM »
 

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WHERE IS IT ON ARTIFACE???????????????????

Look on the half circles on the ends of the deck.
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« Reply #8 on: November 02, 2011, 03:28:49 PM »
 

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All the Karnival decks have a one-way back, I believe.  The only one that isn't hidden is the Dose. 
 

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« Reply #9 on: November 02, 2011, 04:50:50 PM »
 

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I was looking through some of mine, and noticed on the Bicycle Gargoyles there is a small difference right above the gargoyle head, and on the Arcane the top of the ribbon thing tends to move around a little.
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #10 on: November 02, 2011, 06:47:18 PM »
 

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I noticed the moving on the arcane but i dont think it would be very easy to notice that when you spread or fan them
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #11 on: November 03, 2011, 12:31:50 AM »
 

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All the Karnival decks have a one-way back, I believe.  The only one that isn't hidden is the Dose. 
The Deadeyes isn't really hidden either, it is just melded into the feel of the deck
 

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« Reply #12 on: November 03, 2011, 02:26:26 AM »
 

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The 1001 aladdins have a very subtle one way back.
 

Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2011, 03:42:41 AM »
 

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The Deadeyes isn't really hidden either, it is just melded into the feel of the deck

It's pretty hidden.  I've had people stare at it, knowing there's a one-way back, holding 2 cards for 5 or 10 minutes without seeing it.
 

Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #14 on: November 03, 2011, 11:05:37 PM »
 

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It's pretty hidden.  I've had people stare at it, knowing there's a one-way back, holding 2 cards for 5 or 10 minutes without seeing it.
Fair enough, it is well blended... I spotted it off the bat only because you can see it on the side of the deck if you turn one card around.
 

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« Reply #15 on: November 14, 2011, 06:55:33 AM »
 

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I found a one way for the t11 propaganda too. Just so u know. ^^
 

Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2012, 05:10:55 AM »
 

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I found a one-way back on the Magic Castle deck, the Guardians (all versions), the Phoenix deck (naturally), Bicycle Tattoo, Bicycle Phoenix, Bicycle Alchemist (regular and X), Bee and Tally Ho Split Spades (looks more like a manufacture error, but it's still there nonetheless), and I think a few others, but I can't remember which ones right now.

Is the Artifice one-way exclusive to one version or on both?  I never even thought to look for one before!

We need to get PHOTOS of these marks on the site...
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2012, 05:16:41 AM »
 

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I agree with Sabacc here, I don't own ANY decks mentioned except the shadow masters and 1 of the versions of Guardians.

I would like to see pictures of the subtle 1 way backs!
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« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2012, 11:24:00 AM »
 

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What's the one-way back on the Shadow Masters, I've just been looking and can't find it?
 

Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2012, 03:18:55 PM »
 

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« Reply #20 on: January 08, 2012, 03:55:09 PM »
 

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I know where it is on Sean's deck!!
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« Reply #21 on: January 08, 2012, 04:37:14 PM »
 

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actually theres probably 50 other places other then those 2 haha nice find though : P my one way is very very subtle
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #22 on: January 08, 2012, 08:14:59 PM »
 

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The artifice one is on all versions, but can't be seen in a fan or a spread, so not really useable.
The 1800s have a darker corner that is VERY easy to see when you know it, though.
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« Reply #23 on: January 08, 2012, 08:26:00 PM »
 

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someone should compile all of the one-way back into a database with pictures marked with the differences.
 

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« Reply #24 on: January 08, 2012, 08:38:08 PM »
 

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someone should compile all of the one-way back into a database with pictures marked with the differences.
I have pics of all my decks that I found a 1-way back on and I am working on that kind of thing right now should be posted in a few hours

People say nothing's impossible, but I do nothing everyday.

Today I found something that reminded me of you. But don't worry I flushed and everything went back to normal.
 

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« Reply #25 on: January 09, 2012, 12:56:20 AM »
 

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someone should compile all of the one-way back into a database with pictures marked with the differences.
I have pics of all my decks that I found a 1-way back on and I am working on that kind of thing right now should be posted in a few hours

I'm itching to see that!  Post, post, post, post...  ;)  How many decks are we talking about here?
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« Reply #26 on: January 09, 2012, 01:06:54 AM »
 

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someone should compile all of the one-way back into a database with pictures marked with the differences.
I have pics of all my decks that I found a 1-way back on and I am working on that kind of thing right now should be posted in a few hours

I'm itching to see that!  Post, post, post, post...  ;)  How many decks are we talking about here?
There is like 9 decks Rigt now but it wont be up until tommorow now because I found homework I had forgot to do so I didnt get it done tonite :'( :'( :)
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« Reply #27 on: January 09, 2012, 02:33:23 AM »
 

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I'd love to see that list! I could spend all day looking through my decks trying to find 1-way backs and I'd probably miss some little details. Would love to see if you found any on some of the decks I have  :)
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« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2012, 02:43:18 AM »
 

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You guys are going to make me go over my entire bloody collection looking for my one-ways, aren't you?  I probably have in the ballpark of 20 or so...at least ones that I've discovered.  I heard a few E decks mentioned, and I've never spotted a one-way back on them.
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2012, 08:37:48 PM »
 

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Ok here is the pictures of the 1-way back decks. These would ave been up yesterday but I ran out of time. The circles on decks are were the mark is.


First up is the White Arcane Deck. It isn`t super easy to see in the photo or in real life, but that dagger-like thing pointing outward has shading on different sides if you flip it over.


Next is the Karnival Midnight deck, It has that extra little dot when it is turned one direction making it very easy to see when looking for it in a spread.
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« Reply #30 on: January 09, 2012, 08:40:01 PM »
 

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Next is the Regular Karnival Deck. It has the same mark as the midnight`s.


Now we go to the Karnival Renegades. The renegades skeleton on the back of the card Look at his hat, The glare on makes a subtle but noticable 1-way back.
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« Reply #31 on: January 09, 2012, 08:44:43 PM »
 

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Ok here we go with the Shadow Masters deck. If you look in the circled corner you will see that on one part of te cards the corner does not close all the way and makes a 1-way.


Next Is the LTD deck. If you look at the bottom circled part, It isnt very noticable in the picture but you can see that there is about half of an extra row o design added on the backs o the cards to make them 1-way.


Up next is the If An Octopus Could Palm Deck. The bottom row of tentacles thing whatevertheyares has 8 in one line and 7 in the other.
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« Reply #32 on: January 09, 2012, 08:47:37 PM »
 

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Now we are at all of the Artifice Decks that I own (Blue V1 and 2, Emerald). So these are not very noticable on te V2 decks but very noticable on the V1s. If you look at the circles along the bottom you will see that one set is bigger than the other set.
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« Reply #33 on: January 09, 2012, 08:52:28 PM »
 

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Here is the last set of pictures


First we have the 1800 Series decks from Ellusionist. It isnt very noticable in the picture but one of the corners of the cards is darker than the other corners.


Next is the T11 Centurions deck. If you look in the ace coming into the middle there is a wing in it in opposite directions.


Last but defiatly not least is the T11 Guardians. If you look above The Angel on Steroids you will see a box on one card but on the otherone it is very faint.
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« Reply #34 on: January 09, 2012, 08:54:10 PM »
 

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So hopefully you guys could see most of them I know the picture quality wasn`t great but I thougt it was alright. If anyone else has 1-way deck they find please post them in here for everyone to see. :) :)
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« Reply #35 on: January 09, 2012, 10:20:28 PM »
 

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On the 1800s, the ink fading isn't the best way to spot it. If you look IN the border, one of the corners is darker, and that makes the cards VERY easy to differenciate even if your spread is too short to see the rider back.
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« Reply #36 on: January 10, 2012, 08:30:16 PM »
 

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On the 1800s, the ink fading isn't the best way to spot it. If you look IN the border, one of the corners is darker, and that makes the cards VERY easy to differenciate even if your spread is too short to see the rider back.
Ya that is what I ment to say sorry for any confusion.
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« Reply #37 on: January 10, 2012, 09:22:49 PM »
 

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Also, on the centurions, you can see two cresent moons on one side of the card and one on the other side when hold the card horizontal an looking down the middle.
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #38 on: January 29, 2012, 06:38:15 AM »
 

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Ok here we go with the Shadow Masters deck. If you look in the circled corner you will see that on one part of te cards the corner does not close all the way and makes a 1-way.....


LoL. Nice find but there's something that'll slap you in the face when you find it in the Shadow Masters. And I'm telling you it slapped me pretty hard.

I prefer hand written signatures over digital ones but the ink appears to be stuck on my monitor screen...

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« Reply #39 on: January 29, 2012, 06:46:25 AM »
 

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Last but defiatly not least is the T11 Guardians. If you look above The Angel on Steroids you will see a box on one card but on the otherone it is very faint.
And another one...  :P
I prefer hand written signatures over digital ones but the ink appears to be stuck on my monitor screen...

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« Reply #40 on: January 29, 2012, 06:57:04 AM »
 

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Here's my other contribution. Presenting! The Bicycle Limited Edition Series 1 of 10.
I prefer hand written signatures over digital ones but the ink appears to be stuck on my monitor screen...

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« Reply #41 on: January 29, 2012, 07:06:09 AM »
 

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And another from the Bicycle Limited Edition Series. This one is 2 of 10. This was the only one I could find. Anyone find better one-way for this?
I prefer hand written signatures over digital ones but the ink appears to be stuck on my monitor screen...

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« Reply #42 on: January 29, 2012, 10:54:40 AM »
 

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massa deck also have a one way back
 

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« Reply #43 on: January 29, 2012, 02:13:30 PM »
 

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massa deck also have a one way back

Where is it? At first glance I couldn't find anything. Do you have any pictures of it?
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« Reply #44 on: January 29, 2012, 02:33:26 PM »
 

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massa deck also have a one way back

Where is it? At first glance I couldn't find anything. Do you have any pictures of it?

At the bottom of the cards, the pips that are at the bottom and half cut off are clubs, diamonds, hearts. When holding it this way round, the pips across the top are clubs, diamonds, hearts. So, when it's turned over, the pips along the top/bottom would be hearts, diamonds, clubs.
I've added in a picture to try and help explain.
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« Reply #45 on: January 29, 2012, 02:41:11 PM »
 

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I see it!! Although that isn't a tiny detail, it's very hard to find. My mind just thinks that it is uniform and 1-way! I feel that not many people would catch that, but I could be wrong. Thanks for the picture and the explanation
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« Reply #46 on: January 29, 2012, 05:07:41 PM »
 

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I see it!! Although that isn't a tiny detail, it's very hard to find. My mind just thinks that it is uniform and 1-way! I feel that not many people would catch that, but I could be wrong. Thanks for the picture and the explanation

Yeah, I was pretty amazed when I saw it for the first time, too. Makes you feel kinda dumb, that you missed something that's so blatant. And no problem!
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #47 on: January 29, 2012, 10:54:39 PM »
 

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That's cool. I dont have that many decks to play around with but if I do open them, I usually look for the one-way back right away. I have a big batch coming in so I'll check that. So far, the ones that are giving me a headache are the Transducers. Waaaayyyyy too much detail for me... ???

But so far my favorite is always the Tally-Ho Circle Backs. That crap's old but still not a lot people know about it. BTW, since no one is posting that here, I'm assuming everyone here knows right?
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #48 on: January 29, 2012, 11:06:01 PM »
 

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I don't! Would you mind posting it then? ::)
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #49 on: January 29, 2012, 11:21:44 PM »
 

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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #50 on: January 29, 2012, 11:33:01 PM »
 

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I don't! Would you mind posting it then? ::)
You got it!

EDIT: Sorry, typo. I meant the petal gaps are wider on one end than on the other.
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #51 on: January 29, 2012, 11:51:28 PM »
 

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I don't! Would you mind posting it then? ::)
You got it!

EDIT: Sorry, typo. I meant the petal gaps are wider on one end than on the other.

I feel that would be too hard to see if it was in somebody else's hand and if I was holding the deck I would need a magnifying glass to see it! That is one I would have NEVER caught!
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #52 on: January 30, 2012, 03:44:12 AM »
 

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That Circle Back mark might be a simple printer's error - bear in mind, these were originally hand-drawn designs.  Does it exist on standard Circle Backs as well as the gold border ones?
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #53 on: January 30, 2012, 07:53:45 AM »
 

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That Circle Back mark might be a simple printer's error - bear in mind, these were originally hand-drawn designs.  Does it exist on standard Circle Backs as well as the gold border ones?
I believe it's on all Circle backs. I even have that on the Tally-Ho Vipers Circle Back.
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #54 on: January 30, 2012, 10:45:19 AM »
 

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wow that is very hard to see .. how long did you spent finding that?
 

Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #55 on: January 30, 2012, 04:30:33 PM »
 

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Hmm... I'm not sure. I didn't know about one-way backs before so I never really bothered. I just noticed it one day then I was obsessed. The rest are taking me around 15 seconds to a minute from opening a deck (Except for those darn transducers, unless they are aren't really one-way).   :-[
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #56 on: January 30, 2012, 05:41:35 PM »
 

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And I have just confirmed that the Tally-Ho Titaniums Circle Back have them too(I just opened one).  :P
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #57 on: January 31, 2012, 12:08:52 AM »
 

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Hmm... I'm not sure. I didn't know about one-way backs before so I never really bothered. I just noticed it one day then I was obsessed. The rest are taking me around 15 seconds to a minute from opening a deck (Except for those darn transducers, unless they are aren't really one-way).   :-[

Try this with the Transducers or any other complex back design, if you have some appropriate image software.

Scan an image of the back.  Save a copy of the "clean" scan, then tweak the colorations of the scan to make sort of an "inverse" image out of colors that blend to create a new color - for example, a red back could be shifted to light blue, giving you a pale purple when blended.  Now rotate the tweaked image, give it some transparency and superimpose it on top of the original image.  Look for places where either the original color or the tweaked color appear instead of the blended color.

You probably don't need a full-blown copy of Photoshop to do this - anything that allows you to play with color, orientation and opacity should do the trick.
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #58 on: January 31, 2012, 12:32:42 AM »
 

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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #59 on: January 31, 2012, 02:13:40 AM »
 

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Hmm... I'm not sure. I didn't know about one-way backs before so I never really bothered. I just noticed it one day then I was obsessed. The rest are taking me around 15 seconds to a minute from opening a deck (Except for those darn transducers, unless they are aren't really one-way).   :-[

Try this with the Transducers or any other complex back design, if you have some appropriate image software.

Scan an image of the back.  Save a copy of the "clean" scan, then tweak the colorations of the scan to make sort of an "inverse" image out of colors that blend to create a new color - for example, a red back could be shifted to light blue, giving you a pale purple when blended.  Now rotate the tweaked image, give it some transparency and superimpose it on top of the original image.  Look for places where either the original color or the tweaked color appear instead of the blended color.

You probably don't need a full-blown copy of Photoshop to do this - anything that allows you to play with color, orientation and opacity should do the trick.


 :o  Nosebleed.... Hehehe


I'll try it out... someday... if I feel like it  :P
I dunno. It really is giving me a headache and I'm starting to believe it's not a one-way back like the normal rider backs(at least I believe they aren't).  ???
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #60 on: January 31, 2012, 05:04:21 AM »
 

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Years ago, three friends and I were sitting in a coffee shop talking magic and drinking coffee (actually, I think Sean was having hot chocolate. Light weight!). Needless to say, there were cards on the table and laughter in the air. A tall blonde walks by us towards the counter and stops dead in her tracks.

"What are you doing?" she asks in an eastern European accent.

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"Are you performing magic tricks?" she asks. Keep in mind, she hasn't even ordered yet. She's halfway across the floor but decided to stop at our table.

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"Let me show you one." She doesn't wait for us to answer. She grabs the first deck she sees, removes four face cards, places them face-up, in a row, and asks us to turn one around- end for end- when her back is turned. We do. Second card from the left. She turns around, looks at them quickly and pushes forward the Jack. The exact card we had spun.

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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #61 on: February 03, 2012, 04:17:15 PM »
 

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Has anyone tried it yet? Pull out 4 face cards from any deck there is and see if you can tell which one is spun? Depending on the deck, I'm almost 9 out of 10 times.
 

Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #62 on: February 03, 2012, 04:26:15 PM »
 

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That's very interesting... I wonder just how widespread this phenomenon is? Jamie, was the deck used in your story a standard deck of Bicycles?
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #63 on: February 03, 2012, 04:37:53 PM »
 

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Yup. It was crazy.

But now when I look at facecards on any deck, I'm looking to see how well everything is centered...
 

Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #64 on: February 03, 2012, 04:40:10 PM »
 

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So Standard Bicycle decks have a one-way back?  ???
 

Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #65 on: February 03, 2012, 04:55:25 PM »
 

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The second comment pretty much proves this story right, although. I do know already that bees have one way backs and that borders on bikes usually arent the same size all around the card.
 

Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #66 on: February 03, 2012, 06:02:50 PM »
 

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So Standard Bicycle decks have a one-way back?  ???


No sir. He said face cards  :P


Anyway, that's a neat little info. I never really noticed since I always look at the back. I'm going to double back on my standard bikes and see if it is off center.  :-\
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #67 on: February 03, 2012, 11:09:47 PM »
 

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I'm still a little confused on how it can be seen that it isn't a 2-way face card? It's off center on one side or is an element of the face card that is off center?
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #68 on: February 06, 2012, 09:26:33 PM »
 

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I find it easier to notice with Face Cards. Take a bunch out and look at how they're centered on the card...
 

Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #69 on: February 07, 2012, 03:14:27 AM »
 

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The deal with Bicycles (and many other decks from USPC) is that they aim for making the most precise center cuts for the backs of the cards.  (Sometimes they succeed, sometimes they fail miserably, as we all know!)  Now, unless they took the time and patience (and high quality control) to print the front of the uncut sheet so the faces and backs are precisely registered with each other, the faces are often a little off-center compared to the backs.  To USPC, this is less important - as well as to the majority of card players.  As long as the back is centered, the deck doesn't have a visible one-way margin effect when seen held in a player's hand or lying on a card table.  It's actually pretty rare to see a deck that's perfectly centered, front and back, using today's mass production methods.  They could probably make them that well - but anything that increases the cost of production cuts into their profit, and they're more concerned about making that extra buck than making sure that the faces are perfectly centered.

As I see it, if they're close to centered, great.  Perfection isn't necessary, just "close enough" in most cases.  It would be great to get them perfect, but it would probably jack up the per-deck prices on any deck using that printing/cutting method.  Anybody here want to pay a premium for a minor feature that doesn't really affect their magic, cardistry or card playing?  [Sounds of crickets chirping.]  I thought so!  :))
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #70 on: February 07, 2012, 08:52:26 PM »
 

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Actually I have no probelms with slightly non centered backs as this opens the room for some tricks that requires the selected card to be 'marked'. Laymen should also have no probelms with off centered backs. These are the cards that make the perfect hidden one way backs.
 

Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #71 on: February 08, 2012, 01:18:14 AM »
 

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Actually I have no probelms with slightly non centered backs as this opens the room for some tricks that requires the selected card to be 'marked'. Laymen should also have no probelms with off centered backs. These are the cards that make the perfect hidden one way backs.

Some laymen wouldn't care.  Poker players might.  Anything that allows one to distinguish cards in the deck from each other is heavily frowned upon among serious card players.  It's a big reason why so many of them have migrated to using plastic decks - they're harder to ruin with kicks, creases, etc., in addition to lasting so much longer.

I've had laymen spectators spot one-way margins during a trick, as well.  I try using a more subtle one-way back, or I use the deck in a way that the back design doesn't matter, like making extra cards appear in a packet the spectator is "protecting".
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #72 on: February 08, 2012, 01:38:17 PM »
 

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Although I play card games, I play none for money, and I don't really care about non-centered backs.
 

Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #73 on: February 08, 2012, 02:33:37 PM »
 

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I often play cards and it is vital that a cards back is centered. Once you notice that a back isn't centered it will stick out like a sore thumb. From that point you can pick out a card based on it's back which can ruin a game. So even to a person who doesn't play high stakes or for money at all it is important.
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #74 on: March 12, 2012, 09:27:44 AM »
 

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Dunno if bumping this thread up is a good idea, but here goes my first post:

The vintage design New Fan Back deck also has a subtle one way back.
If you look at the border of the fan, the density of lines on one side is more than the other. Its subtle but jumps out at you once you know it.
 

Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #75 on: March 12, 2012, 11:14:50 AM »
 

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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #76 on: March 12, 2012, 01:50:37 PM »
 

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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #77 on: March 13, 2012, 05:28:40 AM »
 

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I was looking through some of mine, and noticed on the Bicycle Gargoyles there is a small difference right above the gargoyle head, and on the Arcane the top of the ribbon thing tends to move around a little.

I was waiting for someone to mention that. There is indeed a one way on my Gargoyles deck. :)

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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #78 on: March 13, 2012, 05:42:00 AM »
 

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I was waiting for someone to mention that. There is indeed a one way on my Gargoyles deck. :)

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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #79 on: March 13, 2012, 11:16:33 AM »
 

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...and how about the Actuators?  :))

I thought you already knew the answer to that Don... :D

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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
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I thought you already knew the answer to that Don... :D

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I've heard there is one, but I couldn't find it.  Or maybe I did and I forgot...
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #81 on: January 13, 2013, 12:12:56 AM »
 

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I just found out that the deck: "Bee: 1902 Club Special Erdnase" Is actually a ONE WAY back design?!?!

in the middle of the deck you have the 2 large circles that say "1902 SWE" the smaller circle with the 2x3 acorns in it makes it one way! the triangle way they set it up does not make it a two way back.

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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
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Wasn't there a collective thread for one way backs?
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #83 on: January 13, 2013, 12:20:13 AM »
 

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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #85 on: January 13, 2013, 12:49:13 AM »
 

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John I know there is 2. I'm talking about the 2nd ed. I haven't seen this deck on the collective one way thread.
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #86 on: January 13, 2013, 12:52:42 AM »
 

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I just found out that the deck: "Bee: 1902 Club Special Erdnase" Is actually a ONE WAY back design?!?!

in the middle of the deck you have the 2 large circles that say "1902 SWE" the smaller circle with the 2x3 acorns in it makes it one way! the triangle way they set it up does not make it a two way back.

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Despite the photo, I think the current printing of that deck is, as John demonstrated, the "four acorn" model.  It was easier I'm sure to use the old photo than arrange and pay for a new photo shoot.

Wasn't there a collective thread for one way backs?

Why yes, there is!  And I'm merging this with that one.  BTW: welcome!  Are you through with being so monastic online?  :))
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #87 on: January 13, 2013, 12:57:12 AM »
 

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Okay thanks for the info Don. Having 2 editions makes a few things get confusing :)
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #88 on: January 13, 2013, 12:58:12 AM »
 

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Despite the photo, I think the current printing of that deck is, as John demonstrated, the "four acorn" model.  It was easier I'm sure to use the old photo than arrange and pay for a new photo shoot.


Assuming CARC finaly retired the Acorn designs, meaning the Black Acorns are the last acorn deck, yes the current design is the 4 acorn version :P
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #89 on: January 13, 2013, 01:39:32 AM »
 

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Finally merged these puppies - it was a pain in the neck finding the other topic until I reversed the method I was using (long story, not worth telling).

This topic needs new life in it anyway - any NEW one way backs not already mentioned?  They have to have at least semi-subtle if not truly subtle one-way marks.
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #90 on: January 13, 2013, 06:37:11 AM »
 

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Add Altruism deck to the list. The little triangle/pyramid above the owl's head 'faces' the same direction on both ends of the back design.

EDIT: Fixed it. Thanks Don. Will keep that in mind.
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #91 on: January 13, 2013, 09:48:57 PM »
 

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So a friend of mine bought me the Bicycle zombie playing cards and I realised that the backs are a pretty subtle 1 way too.

*Hint* Look at the for fingers.
 

Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #92 on: January 13, 2013, 10:52:16 PM »
 

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The Eclipse deck had a really well hidden one way. Look at the corners, for that odd wheel type design.

Edit: Included a picture
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #93 on: January 14, 2013, 01:23:36 AM »
 

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Add Altruism deck to the list.

The way this works is that we're not simply compiling a list of which decks have subtle one-way backs, but where the one-way marks are located - with photos, when possible.  I'd tell you now but I don't have my Altruisms with me and couldn't describe them with any real accuracy.
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #94 on: February 05, 2013, 12:04:44 PM »
 

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Legends deck, too.
Top corner of the dragon's wings. One side has a curve, one doesn't.

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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #95 on: February 05, 2013, 12:36:25 PM »
 

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Legends deck, too.
Top corner of the dragon's wings. One side has a curve, one doesn't.

The one-way marks on the aces in that deck are reversed - it makes for easy spotting when scanning the deck backs quickly.
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #96 on: February 05, 2013, 05:57:34 PM »
 

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Would the Infinity back be subtle enough, or is that a blatant one-way? Excuse a newbie for asking...
 

Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #97 on: February 05, 2013, 10:48:14 PM »
 

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Would the Infinity back be subtle enough, or is that a blatant one-way? Excuse a newbie for asking...

It's not so obvious.  The deck is meant to look like a two-way deck.  Where did you find the one-way mark?
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #98 on: February 06, 2013, 03:19:36 AM »
 

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Well,  the circular text in the middle, INFINITYINFINITYINFINITYINFINITYINFINITYINFINITY and so on, the four topmost letters on one side is TYIN but on the other side it is FINI. I hope this is helps. I've attached a picture to try to show you.
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #99 on: February 06, 2013, 04:22:05 AM »
 

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Wow! I never noticed that! Good catch :)) I think this definitely counts as a one-way back.
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #100 on: February 06, 2013, 05:09:16 AM »
 

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splurt good find. Will it be intentional?
 

Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #101 on: February 06, 2013, 07:02:51 PM »
 

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That is a very subtle one-way mark - not the most subtle I've seen, but it's up there.  Good find!

splurt good find. Will it be intentional?

??  Will it be?  Bro - it is!  Most don't realize it but practically every E deck has a VERY subtle one-way mark, starting with the Black Tigers.  Read some of the earlier posts in this topic and you'll see a few examples, I'm sure.
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #102 on: August 04, 2013, 01:19:49 AM »
 

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just found out this topic. so cool :D do anyone know that Baroque decks of Criss Angel are 1-way too  :-[
 

Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #103 on: August 04, 2013, 06:29:07 AM »
 

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just found out this topic. so cool :D do anyone know that Baroque decks of Criss Angel are 1-way too  :-[

I couldn't tell you.  I don't own any.  Perhaps if you posted a high-res photo of the card back we could check it out for you.
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #104 on: August 04, 2013, 12:18:23 PM »
 

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I have Gray and Black Editon so confirmed that both of them are 1-way back. The White Edition i dont have so dont know if it could be the same ^^
 

Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #105 on: March 31, 2014, 02:25:55 AM »
 

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bump this topic, again, just because of i found the 1-way subtle back of Ignite and Empire  :karrit: too bad no img of Ignite on Internet big enough to point out, so i just want to take them into this list
 

Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #106 on: March 31, 2014, 06:20:31 AM »
 

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bump this topic, again, just because of i found the 1-way subtle back of Ignite and Empire  :karrit: too bad no img of Ignite on Internet big enough to point out, so i just want to take them into this list

You don't have a camera?  Or a cellphone with a camera?  :))

I think nearly all if not all Ellusionist decks have a well-hidden one-way back.
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #107 on: March 31, 2014, 09:10:21 AM »
 

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The Original Federal 52 Deck has a hidden one way design.
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #108 on: March 31, 2014, 09:36:15 AM »
 

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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #109 on: March 31, 2014, 10:43:25 AM »
 

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I'm going to take a wild guess, but the subtle one way is in the way the "burn" pattern around the edge of the card?
 

Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #110 on: March 31, 2014, 11:13:58 AM »
 

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I see it in a different spot.  Starting at the center diamond go up (or down) until you see what looks like two red horns.  The color surrounding the horns is different.  Looking at this picture, the top horns are in more of a yellowish color, while the bottom horns are in more of an orange color.
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #111 on: March 31, 2014, 07:52:32 PM »
 

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the spots of ashes on the flames, without notice, i thought they are just dirty, but then i realize they are the hidden 1way of Ignite - up side have spot right on the flame when down side the spot at between the flames. trained eyes will see them easily. thanks Sparkz for good image, my phone cant take picture as well
 

Re: hidden 1-way back decks
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The Club 808 deck.  The bottom half of the "B" is different from top to bottom.
 

Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #113 on: April 01, 2014, 05:36:09 PM »
 

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There is actually another one way back that I have found on all of my crown decks.  I'll post the picture soon.

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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
« Reply #114 on: April 01, 2014, 05:40:11 PM »
 

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Look at the pips that are circling the ring.  The clubs that are on the top and bottom of the card are different sizes. One of them is clearly larger than the other.

[I just noticed the picture is sideways. The. Clubs are on the left and right of the picture I posted. And :-\ the are not the suits that are in the immediate center but they are the ones inside of the rings]
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
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Look at the pips that are circling the ring.  The clubs that are on the top and bottom of the card are different sizes. One of them is clearly larger than the other.

[I just noticed the picture is sideways. The. Clubs are on the left and right of the picture I posted. And :-\ the are not the suits that are in the immediate center but they are the ones inside of the rings]

Now the big question remains - are these 1st Edition or 2nd Edition?  Kevin Reylek told me that they did include a one-way mark on the 1st Edition decks that was removed for the 2nd Edition.  This could be a 1st Edition deck, or there could have been ANOTHER one-way mark that Kevin didn't tell me about which appears on the 2nd Edition Crown Decks.  In fact, that 1st Edition one-way mark is probably documented in this topic in an earlier post!
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Re: hidden 1-way back decks
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long time not bumb, does anyone know about the rumors that Tally Ho Fan back is subtle 1way back???? i knew Circle one 1way, but fan back....  :-\
 

Re: hidden 1-way back decks
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long time not bumb, does anyone know about the rumors that Tally Ho Fan back is subtle 1way back???? i knew Circle one 1way, but fan back....  :-\

I haven't heard a thing about that one.  The Circle Back has a well-documented one-way mark, but it only became such in recent years.  Vintage Circle-Back decks past a certain year aren't one-way at all.  It's as if someone accidentally mis-copied the design when creating a printing plate and the mistake got recopied over and over as time went on.  A few custom decks made using the Circle Back design also have this "error" in them, but there's a few that don't - you have to look closely at them.
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