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what color background should I launch with? (You Get 2 Votes)

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Black on a color... (Inverted)
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Re: "Interlace" Deck Development (Behind the scenes!)
« Reply #150 on: April 21, 2014, 02:02:46 AM »
 

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who knew this would be such a pain?!?  ???
 

Re: "Interlace" Deck Development (Behind the scenes!)
« Reply #151 on: April 21, 2014, 02:32:21 AM »
 

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 :D First face card completed!!! Up for review... Fire away!!!!
« Last Edit: April 21, 2014, 03:02:56 AM by sastian »
 

Re: "Interlace" Deck Development (Behind the scenes!)
« Reply #152 on: April 21, 2014, 08:40:28 AM »
 

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:D First face card completed!!! Up for review... Fire away!!!!

It looks good, but USPC is terrible about registering both sides of the sheet.  They focus on the back, since it's the one most likely to accidentally make a back one-way.  The lines for the faces might - or might not - be aligned with the lines on the back.  A thicker line will help you fudge the appearance a bit.
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Re: "Interlace" Deck Development (Behind the scenes!)
« Reply #153 on: April 21, 2014, 12:08:44 PM »
 

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good to know.. if its not a real possibility to get it right it might be best to drop that option rather than set incorrect expectations.
 
 

Re: "Interlace" Deck Development (Behind the scenes!)
« Reply #154 on: April 21, 2014, 03:35:07 PM »
 

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I think the lines going to the edge looks weird on the face card.  I say this because on the back they are tied into the very design and naturally flow off the design and to the edge but on the front they just get cut off.

If you are going to keep them then either try to incorporate them so that they link into the design or just keep them on the back.

My other thought about the lines is that they will look cool with cards side by side but I wonder how well they will look in a fan.  It may be a good idea to do a fan render just to make sure they don't cause any fans to look awkward.
 

Re: "Interlace" Deck Development (Behind the scenes!)
« Reply #155 on: April 22, 2014, 12:00:32 AM »
 

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I think the lines going to the edge looks weird on the face card.  I say this because on the back they are tied into the very design and naturally flow off the design and to the edge but on the front they just get cut off.

If you are going to keep them then either try to incorporate them so that they link into the design or just keep them on the back.

My other thought about the lines is that they will look cool with cards side by side but I wonder how well they will look in a fan.  It may be a good idea to do a fan render just to make sure they don't cause any fans to look awkward.

There's a point to putting the lines on the faces and backs, if he can get them properly registered to each other.  It's the "inverted card" issue.  Some magician's tricks require that a card be inverted and hidden in the middle of the deck.  When the edge of a card is different from front to back, that inverted card will often stand out, becoming immediately visible to a spectator.  Granted, this isn't the kind of deck most magicians would employ when performing, but it's noteworthy.
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Re: "Interlace" Deck Development (Behind the scenes!)
« Reply #156 on: April 22, 2014, 08:49:47 AM »
 

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True but I do a few inverted card tricks and I use a deck of dealers most of the time.  It is much easier to hide the inverted card if they match like you said.

With all the versions of the back posted, I like it without the lines more than with.
 

Re: "Interlace" Deck Development (Behind the scenes!)
« Reply #157 on: April 22, 2014, 01:41:30 PM »
 

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thanks for the input guys, i figured the only way to see how it would work was to design it with and if i didnt like it take it off... I would hope that the design lends itself to a performer as well. otherwise, why have it there?
 

Re: "Interlace" Deck Development (Behind the scenes!)
« Reply #158 on: April 23, 2014, 12:58:25 AM »
 

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True but I do a few inverted card tricks and I use a deck of dealers most of the time.  It is much easier to hide the inverted card if they match like you said.

With all the versions of the back posted, I like it without the lines more than with.

The Dealers are a MUCH different back design.  A small, repeating back pattern like that does indeed conceal inverted cards to a degree, as long as you keep the deck stack held straight - the same applies for Bee Diamond Backs.  I advised Uusi to reduce the size of the repeating pattern on the Pagan deck to achieve the same effect!  It creates an effect much like an optical illusion and acts like camouflage for the inverted card when seen edgewise.  If you inverted multiple cards, however, you stand a greater chance of getting caught at it.

When the alteration is a small but noticeable area that prints into the bleed on one side but not the other, that's where it's more easily detected.  Even worse is when the entire back is printed a solid color and the face is either white or a very different color.
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Re: "Interlace" Deck Development (Behind the scenes!)
« Reply #159 on: April 23, 2014, 06:14:41 AM »
 

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The Dealers are a MUCH different back design.  A small, repeating back pattern like that does indeed conceal inverted cards to a degree, as long as you keep the deck stack held straight - the same applies for Bee Diamond Backs.  I advised Uusi to reduce the size of the repeating pattern on the Pagan deck to achieve the same effect!  It creates an effect much like an optical illusion and acts like camouflage for the inverted card when seen edgewise.  If you inverted multiple cards, however, you stand a greater chance of getting caught at it.

When the alteration is a small but noticeable area that prints into the bleed on one side but not the other, that's where it's more easily detected.  Even worse is when the entire back is printed a solid color and the face is either white or a very different color.


You really should consider making a quick youtube video demonstrating the finer points of this sometime. not sure i fully understand but it would be much easier for designers like me to grasp if we saw it in practice.
 

Re: "Interlace" Deck Development (Behind the scenes!)
« Reply #160 on: April 23, 2014, 08:00:29 AM »
 

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The Dealers are a MUCH different back design.  A small, repeating back pattern like that does indeed conceal inverted cards to a degree, as long as you keep the deck stack held straight - the same applies for Bee Diamond Backs.  I advised Uusi to reduce the size of the repeating pattern on the Pagan deck to achieve the same effect!  It creates an effect much like an optical illusion and acts like camouflage for the inverted card when seen edgewise.  If you inverted multiple cards, however, you stand a greater chance of getting caught at it.

When the alteration is a small but noticeable area that prints into the bleed on one side but not the other, that's where it's more easily detected.  Even worse is when the entire back is printed a solid color and the face is either white or a very different color.


You really should consider making a quick youtube video demonstrating the finer points of this sometime. not sure i fully understand but it would be much easier for designers like me to grasp if we saw it in practice.

There's an explanation with photos among the updates for Uusi's "Pagan" deck project on KS.  They're my best clients.
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Re: "Interlace" Deck Development (Behind the scenes!)
« Reply #161 on: April 23, 2014, 11:31:05 AM »
 

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Re: "Interlace" Deck Development (Behind the scenes!)
« Reply #162 on: April 23, 2014, 11:39:06 AM »
 

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Rough Draft of the Queen of Spades
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Re: "Interlace" Deck Development (Behind the scenes!)
« Reply #163 on: April 23, 2014, 01:09:37 PM »
 

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Annnnd... the King of Spades rough..
 

Re: "Interlace" Deck Development (Behind the scenes!)
« Reply #164 on: April 23, 2014, 04:20:56 PM »
 

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King of Clubs....  8)
 

Re: "Interlace" Deck Development (Behind the scenes!)
« Reply #165 on: April 23, 2014, 04:24:36 PM »
 

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Where we are with Roughs..

 

Re: "Interlace" Deck Development (Behind the scenes!)
« Reply #166 on: April 23, 2014, 05:16:08 PM »
 

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Just looking at the roughs, I like the king of hearts the best.  The other ones are really good too, I just like the design of the "body" of it more than the others.
 

Re: "Interlace" Deck Development (Behind the scenes!)
« Reply #167 on: April 23, 2014, 07:45:01 PM »
 

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Just looking at the roughs, I like the king of hearts the best.  The other ones are really good too, I just like the design of the "body" of it more than the others.

Yeah that one due to be revamped... theres a TON of line variation in that and a lot of dead space.. inconsistent with the card back and a lot more difficult to reproduce similar results across multiple cards. Mainly i want it to look good on the flop. back and courts.
 

Re: "Interlace" Deck Development (Behind the scenes!)
« Reply #168 on: April 23, 2014, 08:12:48 PM »
 

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Relooking at it I see what you mean, I now see why it stood out to me. 
 

Re: "Interlace" Deck Development (Behind the scenes!)
« Reply #169 on: April 24, 2014, 12:35:01 AM »
 

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I agree it was pretty when it was the only one.. the moment i put it side by side i saw road bumps ahead. the King was much Looser than the Jack... and the Jack echoed the style much closer.... and since a LOT more work was put into the Back than the King the Jack won. I would much rather rework the King than the Back! I was Very satisfied with the Back and never realy settled about the King anyway
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Re: "Interlace" Deck Development (Behind the scenes!)
« Reply #170 on: April 24, 2014, 02:15:30 AM »
 

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Status update and next card to get drafted...
 

Re: "Interlace" Deck Development (Behind the scenes!)
« Reply #171 on: April 24, 2014, 04:52:23 PM »
 

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testing this out..... fell free to join. im gonna see if i can stream my desktop while working
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Re: "Interlace" Deck Development (Behind the scenes!)
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Here's how it went... should I do more?   
http://www.youtube.com/eSuBMOGwHIc
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Re: "Interlace" Deck Development (Behind the scenes!)
« Reply #173 on: April 24, 2014, 06:11:04 PM »
 

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Here's how it went... should I do more?   
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSuBMOGwHIc#t=14

I have to confess, I didn't watch the video, just skimmed it.  It's a bit long.  Probably a lot better live.

Things like that are better when scheduled in advance so people have time to plan for it and show up.
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Re: "Interlace" Deck Development (Behind the scenes!)
« Reply #174 on: April 24, 2014, 06:12:29 PM »
 

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well this was me testing if the quality was up to snuff for scheduling... i dont want to send out invites and not know what im doing. :) So with that in mind... if you want me to do another and schedule it.. what the best time and date for anyone interested?
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